Opposing Libertarianism.

Vic Biorseth, Friday, November 27, 2009
http://www.Thinking-Catholic-Strategic-Center.com

Opposing Libertarianism does not mean opposing such things as individual Liberty, or Conservatism, by any means. My only real problem with the Libertarian position involves its complete lack of a fixed moral standard. The Libertarian approach says that the citizen is free to do anything at all so long as he dose not infringe on any other citizen’s rights or hurt any other citizen. And that is an idea that sounds fine, on its face. But we need to think about it a little bit.

This position is another move into moral relativism. It operates to oppose any commonly held fixed sense of right and wrong for a people and a nation. We call a commonly held cultural sense of right versus wrong an ethos; in America, the Judao-Christian Ethos provides this fixed set of clearly recognizable moral standards. It forms the very foundation for our civil law and our Constitution. It was the guiding ethos of the founders, and it is the guiding ethos of the overwhelming majority in the current population of America.

We pointed to the need for a fixed, consistent, familiar national moral standard in the Definition of Pro-American Webpage, and again in the Definition of Anti-American Webpage. More than anything else, it is a distinct cultural ethos that defines a unique people, and it is a unique people who make a nation. Ethos is all wrapped up in morality. Morality is all wrapped up in religion. Whether anyone likes or not, whether anyone admits it or not, America is, overwhelmingly, a Christian nation. Our common sense of right versus wrong comes out of our Judao-Christian religion.

The Libertarian defines many immoral activities as victimless crimes and therefore does not condemn them, and would legalize and un-restrain them. Many of these immoral activities are of a sexual nature, and many involve illegal drug usage.

It is my contention that totally de-criminalized and unrestrained immoral actions are bad, and not good, for the overall culture. We can examine some possible results, affecting you, via the exercise of thought experiments. Let us assume that the Libertarian position becomes the fixed law, and is now perfectly in place in America.

A teacher in a school, whether private or public, would feel perfectly free to smuggle your kid out of class, into an abortion clinic, and back into class, without your consent or even knowledge of the event. Your adult neighbor might feel perfectly free to help your kid shoot up with heroin for the first time. A disease-ridden hooker in the neighborhood might decide to give your kid a freebie.

You might be sharing the highways not only with the occasional drunk, but with someone who just dropped acid. Doped no-hopers might be staggering about or sleeping it off in the middle of the street, as they do in Holland, where it’s legal. Hookers may be jiggling and strutting their stuff in store windows, giving a whole new meaning to the term “window shopping,” as they do in Holland, where it’s legal.

The real question becomes, what kind of a people are we, and what kind of a nation is this? Are we pagans, are we atheists, or are we Christians and Jews?

State’s Rights are important, in accordance with the Rule Of Subsidiarity, and we see in America that the moral norm shifts geographically. States are and should be perfectly free to outlaw or legalize anything that suits the voters.

Las Vegas is a city that was virtually invented by organized crime families, and Nevada is as near as you can get to an anything-goes state. Prostitution is legalized, and the citizens seem to have no problem with that. ‘Vegas advertises itself to be Sin City.

On the other side of that coin, abortion as practiced today was illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, by legislated, representative law, before it was legalized by unconstitutional judicial fiat. The Court, and both other branches of Federal government, had no business whatsoever undoing representative State law all across the land. See the Abortion In America Webpage for the disgusting, un-Constitutional details of how this came about, in the face of the “represented” people.

I am so tired of hearing someone say how they personally despise homosexuality but that they see nothing wrong with it being someone else’s choice. If something is right, then it right for everyone. If it is wrong, then it is wrong for everyone. You are not and cannot be an island; a common sense of right and wrong, or the lack of one, will most certainly affect you, unless you move into a cave or something weird.

”When the fit hits the shan, I’m not going to ask the guy in the foxhole next to me if he’s gay or not” Is the statement most frequently presented by someone who never served. Or if he did, he didn’t serve in the ranks. What about all the rest of the time? Might you ask that question before taking a shower with him? How about when using the buddy system in the field, where you pour cans of water over each other in order to bathe? How about before you crawl into your two-man pup tent with him? No; that question may only be presented by the Libertarian in the absolutely most inappropriate time for the subject matter. It is on the battlefield, and only the battlefield, where the issue has any importance whatsoever.

Have you ever noticed how commentators and editorialists and journalists always interview the homosexuals and never the heterosexuals in the service regarding issues of homosexuality? The heterosexual viewpoint is censored.

Morality, properly understood, is not a morality for me, but not for thee. Nor can it be a morality for thee, but not for me. We either have a fixed moral norm, or we do not. Liberty is not really possible for long in the absence of any fixed moral norm, any common sense of right and wrong that defines us as a people.

What kind of a people are we? What kind of a nation is this?

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Date: Sun Nov 29 23:13:39 2009
From: Anonymous
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This is just a lot of divisive homophobic propaganda. Your type is always trying to force everyone into the same box, to behave in your approved way and to appear as you would have them appear. There are a lot more gays in the military than you know, and they are causing no problems at all, and they are living in fear of being outed, thanks to people like you. Why can’t you just leave people alone? Why must you bother them when they are not bothering you?

Date: Mon Nov 30 06:32:16 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Anonymous:

How heterophobic of you to point these things out.

Religion, morality and moral norms, ethos, politics and chosen ways of life are, precisely, divisive, and not inclusive. See the Definition of Pro-American page and/or the Definition of Anti-American page for a lesson in divisiveness vs. inclusiveness.

The shoe is on the other foot, my friend. I force no one to do anything. On the other hand, your position seeks to force others into close company they do not wish to keep, and into public acceptance of the unacceptable. By law, or executive order, or edict. Against our will. We are to have nothing to say about it.

And so I must return your question to you: why must you bother us when we are not bothering you?

Take your chosen behaviors back to the gutter where they belong and leave the rest of us alone.

Regards,

Vic

Date: Sun Jul 4 12:32:51 2010
From: Buddy
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Location: North Platte Nebraska
Comment:

I would like to make two points.

First point: While I agree with most of what you say, I’m not sure I want my grand daughter to grow up confined by rigidly fixed rules of some denomination of what you call Judao-Christianity. You say Catholicism is the best, but someone else says that’s not so, and provides good reasons. I’ve looked at your site and it looks like you know that. There’s a lot to choose from. The Libertarian position seems to be the best all around way to go, making your own way so long as you don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights.

Second point: What do you think of the Constitution Party, or of changing the nature and the name of the Republican Party to the Constitution Party and acting accordingly?

Buddy

Date: Sun Jun 05 11:05:28 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Buddy:

Re your first point: The Libertarian position seeks to legalize all “victimless crime.” For the sake of argument, let’s say the they have been successful and there is no more victimless crime in America. You should be just as willing to allow your grand daughter to experiment with various drugs, sexual practices and so forth as you would grant to your unknown neighbor in some other state, some other locality or right next door.

So, you should buy your grand daughter her first crack pipe; better you than some stranger. You should learn what you need to know to help her correctly shoot up with heroin the first time so she doesn’t hurt herself. You should be there for her first acid trip. You should help her build a meth lab so she doesn’t poison herself or blow herself up.

Get her all the latest safe-sex and contraceptive paraphernalia, and introduce her to some fornicators and lesbians so she can experiment with her sexuality and see what she prefers. Introduce her to her friendly neighborhood abortionist for whenever the contraception might fail. Take her to a whore house to let her learn about a possible career choice. Maybe she could do an apprenticeship there.

Re your second point: The Constitution Party.

Recently a young man named Eric Deaton spoke to us at the Huber Heights Patriots meeting. He is running for United States Senate from Ohio on the Constitution Party Ticket. I liked everything about him; I liked every thing he said, every thing he stood for, and everything about his Party as he described it. His talk was a knock-out; everyone agreed he would make an excellent Senator and be not just a representative, not just a Senator, but an actual champion for us all and for our cause.

However, I had to tell him that, as much as I liked him and what he stood for, I could not vote for him. My only reason regards the fact that there is one and only one way that the Obamunists could possibly win anywhere in the upcoming November elections, and that is if they manage to split our vote. A third Party will do that very thing.

The time for new political Party building is not during an election cycle when so much is at stake. Our very national survival depends very much on this one election. I agree with every single thing I heard Eric Deaton say; he is the best candidate I have heard or read about; I am as pissed off as anyone at some of our Republican politicos; but I cannot vote for any national candidate in this election who is not Republican. Local, maybe; state level, possibly; national level – absolutely not. This election is just too important. I wish Eric Deaton had run as a Republican. What we need is a Republican Party with more candidates like Eric Deaton.

Regards,

Vic

Date: Mon Jul 12 21:15:16 2010
From: Monique
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It is cruel to say such things about someone’s grandchild. You know nothing about how the child is raised. And there is no difference between the two major political parties so the Republicans do not deserve to be in power. They have earned nothing but contempt.

Date: Tue Jul 13 06:18:19 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Monique:

If the grandparent embraces Libertarian “morality” then the grandparent needs to pass that “morality” on to his grandchildren. That means acceptance of “safe” fornication, “discrete” adultery and “open” homosexuality. And it means legalized dope. So long as the none of the grandchild’s actions infringe on anyone else’s life, rights or property, anything goes, so, if it feels good, do it.

The only possible chance that the solidly united and indivisible minority of American Marxists have of winning any national political office is to divide our vote against them. If you want a Marxist senator or a Marxist representative then vote for a candidate other than a Republican, and watch it happen.

As for me, I still align my moral standards with those of the founding fathers. Dishonoring your father or mother is immoral. The unwarranted taking of any innocent human life is immoral. Adultery is immoral. Stealing is immoral. Lying is immoral. Coveting another’s wife is immoral. Coveting another’s property is immoral. Fornication is immoral. Sodomy is immoral. Fraud, cheating, etc., is immoral. Being inhospitable or uncharitable is immoral. There is nothing tough about this. These things are immoral for ALL of us, not just some of us.

This is the basis – the very foundation – for our supposedly representative civil law. Go take a good look at the Ten Commandments all over the outside and the inside of our US Supreme Court building at the Church and State in Art page, and then come back here and tell me about the supposed superiority of Libertarian “morality.”

Regards,

Vic

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