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An Open Letter to the World
By Rabbi Meir Kahane, OBM Tue, September 19, 2006, 4:51 pm
Rabbi Meir Kahane, OBM, was a strong Jew who believed in a Jewish State that apologized neither for its Jewishness nor its willingness to fight to survive. He was vilified by the Left, especially the Israeli government as he gained popularity dramatically among the Likud voters, threatening the status quo. The Israeli Supreme Court outlawed his party as racist when it used quotes from the Five Books of Moses. He was assassinated by an Arab named Nosair on the streets of New York -- the same Arab who later stood trial as a co-conspirator of Shaikh Omar Abdel Rahman and received a life sentence plus fifteen years imprisonment for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, conspiracy to use explosives against New York landmarks, and a plot to assassinate U.S. politicians.
The following is a letter Rabbi Kahane, OBM, wrote to the world. It is a strong letter based on an unpleasant history, but a true one nonetheless. What rings out, however, is the clarifying distinction between the call by Muslims and Arabs around the world claiming victimhood and hatred and calling for murder and indeed terrorizing the world with actual murder, and this one Jew's proclamation that his desire is not to conquer or convert but to be left alone. With all of the Left-wing and Arab-based conspiracy theories of Jews manipulating the US government into war expeditions in Iraq and elsewhere, the simple truth is that Jews around the world would be happy to be just left alone in one little piece of real estate surrounded by more than 21 Islamic states with a collective land mass 649 fold greater than Israel's and a total population 49 fold greater. When Muslims can blame the Jew, the American, the European, and even the Pope for their misery and wretchedness, one might conclude that the condition they find themselves in is a product of their own making and constitution.
The text of the letter follows:
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE WORLD
I understand that you are upset by us, here in Israel.
Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry.
Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.
Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you.
We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.
We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.
For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.
And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you)- and have you love us and so, we decided to come home - home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.
Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please.
Having left you and your pogroms and inquisitions and crusades and holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.
Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.
Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel.
In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.
Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967?
And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then?
The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state -attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them.
Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.
You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians dream daily of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well think of how many times in the past you bothered us.
In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.
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From: Lyman Victor Biorseth
Date: Fri, November 03, 2006, 06:41 PM
Subject: Rabbi Kahane's Letter to the World
This letter should be required reading for history and social science students. As much as I have feared for and prayed over the threats to America, from within and without, these threats do not even begin to compare to the continuous and multiple direct physical threats faced by Israel. I cannot help but believe that it is not luck, or accident, or fate, or human planning, or strategy, or allies, or weapons, or technology, or anything and everything worldly, alone or in combination, that keeps Israel alive. I pray that more and more in America and in Israel will turn their faces back toward the Lord and make atonement for those who do not.
Date: Fri Jun 19 03:48:25 2009
From: Ishah Ehat
As time progresses the words of Rabbi Meir Kahane become more relevant. It appears that Jew hatred results from the continued, Phoenix-like existence of the Jewish nation. Long may the Jewish Phoenix continue to exist, although this time without the need for destructive holocausts.
Date: Tue Aug 11 14:03:06 2009
Rabbi Kahane was right 25 years ago and he is at least as right today. Some people hated him then, and some do now, but that is only because the truth is difficult to accept!
Date: Sun Oct 18 14:06:30 2009
Obviously anti Semitism needs to be illegal and enforced immediately by Jews and gentiles worldwide. Murder is not free speech and a debatable issue at all. Condolences to me for those of you who are reading this because I am probably dead due to baseless anti-Semitism.
Date: Mon Oct 19 06:03:55 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Only God can make law applicable to all men everywhere. Mere mortals may only make and enforce civil law in their own territorial jurisdictions, which is why some territories are more attractive to decent men than others. If and when any worldly authority is established over the whole world, an evil man or group will somehow gain dominance over it. That is the nature of the world.
Note well that Jesus Christ, Whom all true Christians regard as the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, which is to say, God Personified, lived His exemplary earthly life as a Semitic Jew. We are all called to do our best with what we’ve got to work with.
Hang in there, Ivan; you are never alone. Please God and live forever.
Date: Fri Jan 22 23:28:56 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Meir Kahane's work should be in the curriculum of all nations even the arab world.
Date: Sat Jun 05 23:24:25 2010
From: Old Jew
Ivan is right. If a world law means the world must be taken over, then the world must be taken over, and then it must be defended. The Arabs will never be satisfied with any other situation other than the end of the Jews. The only way to prevent that other than killing all the Arabs is to rule them.
Date: Sun Jun 06 06:43:26 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
I disagree, and not only because of the impossibility of the task. There is no perfect solution to the problem. The best approach to amelioration of the problem is to recognize the enemy who has declared war on us, know that it is a true war, and engage in war with them just as they engage in war on us. The enemy who has declared war on Judaism, Christianity, Democracy, Representative Government, Free Commerce, Liberty, Israel and America comes in two flavors:
These two false and evil ideologies have set themselves the task of killing us all or enslaving us all. Both are intent on world domination. Our strategic problem is that ideas are not nations, they have no borders, the soldiers wear no uniforms and they are sneaky, underhanded, treacherous ideologues who hold out the hand of friendship until they can gain some advantage, and then they attack you.
It is the ideas themselves that must be openly and publicly attacked everywhere. Nations dominated by Marxism or by Islam must be treated as hostile to all that we hold dear, which means, treated as enemy states in time of war. Practitioners of Marxism and Islam must be treated as social pariahs and denied immigration, travel and citizenship in decent lands. Priests, ministers and rabbis need to point out the errors and the immoralities of Marxism and Islam. Politicians, philosophers and pundits need to highlight the gross logical errors and fatal flaws in Marxism and Islam.
Unfortunately, none of this is going to happen under the regime of Comrade Barrack Hussein Obama, peace be upon him.
Date: Fri Jun 11 05:42:44 2010
Rabbi Kahane's has the right to pronounce the truth. Therefore first of all we should openly , and I hope you except this one from me, admit to you that the shame should be on our faces (like Daniel ,from Tenach, had) with reference to our history in name of Christianity. Also please know, Rabbi Meir Kahane, that there are true believers, who will not abandon you, who pray for you, stand behind you ,even cry about what has happened over the years en even now all these awful issues and lies you people have to deal with. There are people who really love you , my Jewish brothers and sisters, because of the love of Yeshua Mashiach in their hearts. These are the people who even stands behind your army. Not only there are watchmen on your walls of Yerushalayim also watchmen in their own countries, and plead in their prayers to Adonai for your people, our brothers and sisters.
Further, let us put our trust in Adonai, like Jeremia said; that the grace of Adonai is not exhausted, that His compassion has not ended.
They are new every morning!
How great Your faithfulness!
"Adonai is all I have," I say; therefore I will put my hope in Him.
Adonai is good to those waiting for Him, to those who are seeking Him out.
Sandra from the Netherlands.
Date: Tue Jun 07 22:11:14 2011
This is all false and untrue Zionist right-wing propaganda. Kahane was a racist and a violent man in a racist, violent right-wing Party, who lived by the sword and who died by the sword. He reaped what he sowed. This whole site is opposed to equality and justice, and seeks to aid domination of the world by Jews and the ultra-bourgeoisie, through increasingly unrestrained Capitalist multi-national imperialism. All of this open, unconstitutional opposition to particular religions and to particular politics, so long as they lean Left, is a carefully crafted smoke screen behind which the right wing perpetrators work to oppose social justice and equality among men. As for “Israel”, there will never be peace over there until the land stolen from the Palestinians is returned to them; even then, America still bears the guilt of having exploited and pillaged the resources of that region of the world. WAKE UP AMERICA!
Date: Wed Jun 08 05:53:22 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
A man who defends himself, or his family, or his kin, or his nation, or his race, even by use of violence when necessary, may not properly be called a man of violence. Violence was thrust upon him from outside. I am guessing that you might be a holocaust denier; nevertheless, history is hard to kill, even for Lefties.
You are not the first to confuse Right and Left politics of Marxists with Right and Left politics in America. Let me again try to set the record straight regarding that.
Important figures in world politics during the rise of Nazi-Fascism and the rise of Communism were all Marxists, and said so. Such personages as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini all were born, politically speaking, of Marxism.
The name of Hitler’s political Party was the National Socialist Worker’s Party. The only economic difference between the Nazi-Fascist brand of Marxism and the Bolshevik-Communist brand of Marxism was that the former totally controlled the owners of Capital, and the later simply nationalized all Capital. In both variants, the people were ruled by one absolute totalitarian dictator.
The only socio-political difference between the Nazi-Fascist brand of Marxism and the Bolshevik-Communist brand of Marxism was that the former was a nationalist movement that sought world control by a superior nation and race, and the later was an internationalist movement that falsely claimed to seek the end of all sovereign nations as well as the end of all private property to achieve a perfect utopia.
Nazi-Fascism and Bolshevik-Communism represent the major Right – Left argument within Marxism itself. Both despise Capitalism, private property and human liberty, and thus both see America and any entity remotely similar to America as the ultimate mortal enemy of Marxism. Within the confines of Marxist thought, American Constitutionalism is neither Right nor Left – it is simply the system that must be destroyed so that Marxism may advance. On that single point, the Left and the Right within Marxism profoundly agree.
In America, politically speaking, the Left is represented by any and all forms and varieties of Marxism, whether Nazi-Fascist or Communist-Socialist; and the Right, in America, is represented by strict and strong adherence to and defense of the American Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution. Everything Marx wrote, from Das Kapital to the Communist Manifesto, opposes the American Constitution.
Regarding our supposedly “unconstitutional opposition to particular religions and to particular politics, so long as they lean Left”, let me say this: We do not oppose Islam as a religion, but as a theocracy that seeks our destruction or subjugation as a nation, and the destruction or subjugation of all nations. We oppose Marxism for exactly the same reason – it is an ideology that seeks our destruction or subjugation as a nation, and the destruction or subjugation of all nations.
Regarding “increasingly unrestrained Capitalist multi-national imperialism” – I could question the use of the word imperialism here, but the larger question is how and why we should seek to restrain it, beyond naturally existing legal restrictions against crime and fraud. I know of no business, multi-national or not, that seeks to rule any land.
If by social justice you mean “equality” to be achieved by redistribution – which is to say, one of Marxism’s smoke-screen recruitment aids – this site is opposed to it, as it is opposed to any other object of practical impossibility.
No land was stolen from any Palestinians. Land was given to them. And I am left wondering what the resources might be that we Americans “exploited and pillaged” from that area of the world. Flies, maybe? Dirt? Camel dung? What, exactly, did we take from there, and how exactly did we prosper by the taking of it?
Date: Wed Jun 08 18:36:02 2011
From: Annie Hamilton
Location: Ventura, CA, USA
What a beautiful letter and certainly one I agree with 100 %. In light of the seemingly growing anti-Israel sentiment throughout America and other places, please permit me to share something I wrote a few days back in response to this letter as it's appropriate and a perfect fit. With kindest regards, Annie Hamilton.
Israel is a topic that seems to garner strong responses whether it’s at the dinner table, online or listening to the President’s latest (attempt) at speaking.
America’s kids are routinely taught in left-leaning schools that much of the conflict is due to Israel’s refusal to ‘share land’ and as such the ‘freedom fighting Hezbollah, Hamas and others are simply trying to make room for their Arab brothers and sisters.’
Some take it further, drawing parallels between the Gaza strip and the troubles in Northern Ireland, comparing Palestinian ‘warriors’ and the IRA.
Nothing could be farther than the truth.
This malignant information continues to spread throughout our communities, hurting families, poisoning American minds and threatening safety and at what cost? Ultimately who is accountable for the things that are said and for such actions?
* Gwyneth Paltrow raising money for HAMAS/Coldplay endorsing HAMAS’ Palestinian Jihad against Israel (what do people think that means?)
Will people stop seeing her movies?
Will they stop supporting Coldplay? (I will because I refuse to fund terror but how many others will?)
Read more …
*Jill, a fabulous clothing store, fabrics, fashions and selections are to die for – apparently quite literally. I’ve single handedly supplied my wardrobe from this brand for the past decade…until learning, recently, that they too, are a front, for terror.
*The companies, celebrities, brands are seemingly everywhere.
Is the hate for Israel … growing or is the successful building of stealth jihad growing at a pace that you have to be paying attention to notice because so many Americans are still asleep with their heads in the sand? Which is it? Growing evil or does it matter? I think it does.
Israel Apartheid Week is an annual international series of events held in cities and campuses throughout the world.
The goal, per their own recruiting materials is to educate people about the ‘nature of Israel’ as an apartheid system as well as to build Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions campaigns as part of a growing global movement.
Last year, Israel Apartheid Week took place in more than 40 cities.
This is strange, as the people behind the leadership of these events claim to want peace.
Even more peculiar is the fact that Israel is, in fact, the only state in the Middle East that is NOT an apartheid state. Israelis have (very successfully) created the first multicultural society in the Middle East, the only one that exists where the rights of all are honored and respected.
It’s the only state where Moslems may live peaceably amongst their neighbors, even if they’re female or gay.
They may vote, own real estate, own businesses, work, go to school, have families, live freely and happily without fear or ridicule. It’s a wonderful system that their neighbors across the strip do not enjoy.
The argument regarding Israeli occupation is deeply flawed and enemies have been attacking them since the beginning of the 20th century.
Rather than egg them on with fundraisers and praise however, the US should be cutting off enemy funding and bringing them to justice. Naturally, this isn’t happening. It’s sickening.
Israel’s right to exist, to occupy their land is a right that is entrenched in historic relevance.
Israel existed right up until the time of the Roman Empire. When the Romans conquered the land, Jews were permitted to live there.
There are two periods where they were effectively forced from their property, the first time in 70 A.D. and the other sometime around 135 A.D.
There’s always been a Jewish presence in Israel and for hundreds of years; the Middle East was easily the most peaceful part of the World.
Some have forgotten that Rahm Emanuel arranged meetings between Yitzhak Rabin and Yasir Arafat back in the early nineties and during this exchange, Jewish leaders expressed the need to create a Palestinian government to remove the rapidly expanding Palestinian population away from Israeli hands.
The pressing concern of ‘the day’ was Israel’s inevitable destruction and as such the situation must be handled immediately to manage any potential hostile presence in the region.
This seemed agreeable to Israel although certainly not smooth. (A peace agreement including both sides of the Gaza along with the United States of America)
Obviously following incidents in the late nineties as well as September 11th, Israel has remained steadfast in reliability with America struggling to define and contain threats, global and domestic pertaining to hostile enemies from within the Palestinian and other Islam-based territories.
Now we’re under a different Administration that once included Emmanuel, and things have never been worse.
We have a Moslem President who bluffed his way into the oval office and since then has appointed several fellow Moslems, radical Marxists, Socialists or other unsavory characters that have effectively dismantled our founding papers since 2008.
It’s disheartening that those who marched against Vietnam now sit in Washington DC offices, enacting policies, on our dime.
Our President recently arrogantly asked PM Netanyahu to ‘roll back’ their borders to 1967. It’s a good thing Bibi is a classy gentleman.
I would have told him (using expletives, of course) “I’ll roll my borders back to 1967 just as soon as you roll yours back to August 20th, 1959 so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen”
This Administration continues to lie to the American people and ridicules our allies while bowing to Islamist leaders, something never done in the history of America, turning the United States Presidency into a mockery, something to be laughed at, no longer respected.
Liberals and their universalism demands that Israel make concessions to appease Arabs but this rarely satisfies anyone and the truth is that there is plenty of room for Arabs in other areas and they refused the offer for a separate Palestinian state in 1937, 1939, 1947, 1979, 1993, and 2000.
This Administration’s betrayal of Israel is both shocking and disheartening and exposes the range of evil and/naïve thinking in the people in today’s government and media who seem to not understand (or care) what is truly at stake right now.
This direction should disturb us all.
Source: Annie Hamilton
Editor’s Note: Annie Hamilton is a Writer/Researcher and lives in Southern California. Currently she is engaged in two projects. One is fiction, titled, ‘The Defender’ the other, non-fiction, titled, ‘The Climb’. Annie can be reached at Annie.Hamilton@gmail.com or http://www.hamilton-research-group.org
Date: Thu Jun 09 23:53:12 2011
“Important figures in world politics during the rise of Nazi-Fascism and the rise of Communism were all Marxists, and said so. Such personages as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini all were born, politically speaking, of Marxism.”
They were all Marxists, and they said so? When?
Date: Fri Jun 10 05:59:18 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
“Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.” - Adolph Hitler, 1941. (The Road To Serfdom, F. A. Hayek, Chapter II, page 30. Refers to a public speech in February 1941, recorded in the Bulletin of International News, published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, XVIII, No. 5, 269.) See the Marxism page.
The Nazis were slightly smarter than the Communists, in that they saw the utter impossibility of the Ultimate Communist Utopian Dream. In Hitler’s variant of a New World Order, what he promoted was what he called The Third Position, representing a state-controlled economy that was neither Communist nor Capitalist. Nazism supported private property and a market economy up to a point – the market and the owners of property were subject to subordination to the state and the goals of the state.
Joseph Goebbels described this as a synthesis of Nationalism and Socialism, as the preferred counter to the “mistaken” Internationalism of the Bolshevik- Communist brand of Marxism.
Thus the “Right” and “Left” wings of Marxism came to be, and to hate each other, while being united in opposition to Capitalism and the liberty of man. Both were evil, and both sought to fool the masses, to mesmerize them, propagandize them and mal-educate them into masses of useful idiot followers of a ridiculous dream, and thus centralize all power in one man. Both opposed religion and the morality that flows from religion, and to gain absolute, unquestioning allegiance from citizens, and absolute power over them all.
“It has been the acknowledged right of every Marxist scholar to read into Marx the particular meaning that he himself prefers and to treat all others with indignation.” --John Kenneth Galbraith.
Date: Fri Jun 10 22:21:18 2011
You cannot deny the fact that Krupp, Mercedes-Benz, almost all heavy industry and the major German financial institutions prospered enormously in Nazi Germany. How can you attribute that to any form of anti-Capitalism?
Date: Sat Jun 11 06:49:38 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Krupp, Mercedes-Benz, almost all heavy industry and the major German financial institutions were all in bed with Hitler, who kept them all on a very tight leash and controlled them. Whether they were in bed with Hitler willingly or not, I cannot tell, but Hitler told them what to produce, in what quantities, in what quality, and he supplied the slave labor for them to use to fulfill his orders. This is almost exactly the same arrangement we see today between Comrade Obama and GM, Chrysler, almost all heavy industry and the major American financial institutions, although he hasn’t succeeded in gathering and supplying slave labor yet. Unions will probably supply the slave drivers.
Date: Fri Apr 20 10:32:16 2012
Location: Long Island/NY/USA
I find it reprehensible that Rabbi Kahane should be murdered in cold blood, in plain sight of everyone and yet his killer was allowed to walk free to commit yet other atrocities which would become the entree to the 9/11 day of terror. When does the world wake up and realize that we are all not peace loving, G-d fearing members of the human race? When does anyone realize that, according to many world countries, Israel as a state, has the right to exist only as a figment of someone's imagination. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Rabbi Kahane, obm, was right and continues to be right. Like it or not, that is the reality. There is no peace with people that want your blood, land, children and future decimated beyond recognition, no matter what country they claim to be from.
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Nov 19 16:54:54 2012
Location: Phila. PA
I stumbled across this piece at a time where its relevance is enhanced by the current terror attacks on the Israeli population by Palestinian Terrorists in Gaza. So true are Kahane's words, so clear his thoughts, he was a wise man whose revelations shocked a world that was not ready to receive them. He lived a life of love for his God and his People and died by the vile hands of evil men.
Do these thoughts not ring true to any believers on this site?
Nov 19 19:08:51 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Nov 19 15:33:56 2012
Enduring hatred and persecution shouldn't justify the persecution and subjecting the Palestinians to brutal occupation and denying them basic human rights. Jews should know better than anybody else what it feels like being persecuted and denied basic human rights.
Date: Tue Nov
20 05:21:20 2012
From: Vic Biorseth
Your submission was such a glaringly obvious repetition of false Palestinian propaganda that I decided not to publish it at all and just put it in the reject file. But then I dreamed about it last night; and decided to publish it, and to respond to it.
 You are of your
father the devil, and your will
is to do your father's desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own
nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
– John 8:44
So the two names our Lord gave to Satan were Liar, and Murderer.
Palestinian, thy name is Disciple of Satan. There is no truth in you. Your words are all lies, and your hands are dripping with innocent blood. You do not seek peace, you have never sought peace and you will never allow peace.You are encouraged because the current American President, the American Democrat Party, the American SLIMC and the American education system are all just as anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, anti-American Constitution and Marxist - Redistributionist as you are.
God has made a Covenant with Israel.
Even without the USA, and even without any other worldly ally, Israel has seldom stood alone against any enemy, since she was Chosen by God.
You have been warned.
Date: Sun Dec 09
From: SHIRLEY HILLER
Location: LONDON. UNITED KINGDOM.
The Jewish people lost a most wonderful clever man when Rabbi Meir Kahane was murdered. The most shocking thing was that the Israeli government would not listen to him while he lived. Every word he wrote in that letter was the truth if only he were here today. We so badly need another man like him but from where? And will he be listened to should he appear? We do not preach propaganda like our enemies maybe we should, but we do not want to go against the laws of the G-D of Israel. Thank you for that amazing letter Rabbi Kahane when I need to learn something i turn to it.
May you rest in peace where anti-Semitism does not exist in the arms of HaShem. Shalom dear friend of the Jewish people and Israel.
Date: Mon Apr 08 12:19:36 2013
The world should answer just one question: if Jews have a right to live. If you feel that they do - let them live. Do not impose on them restrictions that you do not impose on others. Play fairly, can you? 22 Arab countries, 49 Muslim majority countries against one Israel. Is it fair?
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Refuting Darwin and Dawinian “science” as bunk and silliness. Refuting Darwin is almost too easy due to his rush-to-publish and his complete lack of empirical evidences.
The Freudianism Pages
Refuting Freud and all his works: psychoanalysis; repressed memory; sexology. Refuting Freud is so easy we have to wonder how he was ever accepted. Is man getting dumber over time?
The Marxism Pages
Refuting Karl Marx and everything he wrote or said. Articles refuting Marxism are linked to in the right column of this webpage.
The Islamism Pages
Refuting Mohammed and his ideology of conquest masquerading as a religion. Here we refute Mohammed, who should be seen as little more than a popular fraud among pagans.
The Obamunism Pages
Refuting Obama, the American Politician, who is a Professional Revolutionary. Refuting Obama, and refuting his “Social Justice” smoke-screen policies of destruction.
Economic Catastrophe Pages
I told you so before the 2008 election; and here we are. As much as I hate to say I told you so, here we are; and you ain’t seen nothing yet.
The Mainstream Meda Pages
The field of Journalism is infested with Professional Liars. Professional Liars predominate in the loftier positions of mainstream media.
The Unionism Pages.
A Plan to Kill the Unions, especially in government. We need to kill the unions, or at least break their stranglehold on free enterprise.
The Divide And Conquer Pages
Eco-Nazi -ism: global problems demanding global solutions, and, global mastery. The Eco-Nazi movement actually describes two movements: those who say "it's the economy, stupid" and those who say "it's the ecology, stupid."
The Scientism Pages
Refuting Scientism, the term coined by F. A. Hayek for modern pseudo-science. Refuting Scientism is another ho-hum, heavy-sigh, here-we-go-again effort to return to truth, common sense and sanity.
The Death of Morality Pages
Refuting Free Love: the whole 60’s era of Make Love Not War & Sexual Revolution. From Revolution, to Riots and Anarchy, to Sit-Ins, to Love-Ins, the horrible results demand a refuting of free love.
The Winnowing Pages
The Three Sociological Divisions: The Faithful; The Disengaged; The Faithless. Those who stand in Truth, those who oppose Truth, and those who are Lukewarm toward Truth comprise the Three Sociological Divisions.
The Cut The Spending Pages
Shut down unneeded bureaucracy, for budget’s sake. In the name of fiscal sanity, we need to CUT THE SPENDING and shut down unneeded bureaucracy.
The Fixing America Pages
Fixing it all, or, losing it all: the only options left for America. Fixing it all is our only option. If we don't fix it all, we will surely lose it all.
The Criminal Alien Pages.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform: Democrat rope-a-dope straw villain. We have no need of Comprehensive Immigration Reform. It's just a dirty trick.
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The Arguments pro and con under girding the Thinking Catholic Strategic Center. Foundational arguments pro and con under girding Western culture and the Judao-Christian ethos.
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Faith, from the Easter series on the Three Theological Virtues. The virtue of Faith; One of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Hope, from the Easter series on the Three Theological Virtues. The virtue of Hope; One of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Love, from the Easter series on the Three Theological Virtues. The virtue of Love; One of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Prudence, from the Lenten series on the Four Cardinal Virtues. The virtue of Prudence; One of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Justice, from the Lenten series on the Four Cardinal Virtues. The virtue of Justice; One of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Temperance and Fortitude, from the Lenten series on the Four Cardinal Virtues. The virtues of Temperance and Fortitude; Two of the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
On the word Consubstantial, the Trinity and Infinity. On the Consubstantial (Single Substance) of God, and the mathematically impossible number of Infinity.
The challenge describes Capitalism as illusory and Marxism as solid. The mixture of religion just adds to the confusion of all good realists.
Obama the Moslem: Introducing Comrade Obama (peace be upon him.) Obama the Moslem: anti-Catholic; anti-Chrisitan; anti-Jew; anti-American.
Freedom, yes – but from whom, and to do what? Is freedom from God enslavement to the world? Is freedom from the world enslavement to God? Which is better?
The Room: Born of that still inner voice. A story about a small church pastor who erects a small room to serve as a mediation room for his parishioners.
Are Catholics Saved, by having been Born Again? The theology of salvation: Catholic vs. Protestant.
Love thy neighbor as thyself: the Law in One Sentence. Can one simple sentence contain the whole of the moral Law of God?
The Catholic call is universal; it goes out to everyone. Although the Catholic call goes out to all, man’s free will means that all will not respond.
God’s Perfect Unconditional Love meets man’s Free Will. Perfect Unconditional Love can be rejected. Liberty and free choice may be a blessing or a curse.
Of Weeds and Wheat growing together, and the eventual separation. - Weeds and wheat in the field differs from in human kind, where either one can become the other.
Why Should I Believe in God? - an article by Eugene Rudder.
On Losing You - a poem by Rosemarie A. Stone.
Our Beautiful Love - a poem by Rosemarie A. Stone.
Catholic Communism: Similarities between Church Hierarchy and Pure Bureaucracy. Mises said that Communism equals Bureaucracy; the Church is a bureaucracy, therefore we have Catholic Communism. True?
John Paul II, alias John Paul the Great, now becomes Blessed John Paul. Blessed John Paul the Great has been beatified; now, on to sainthood!
Holy Cross Church Welcome to Holy Cross (Lithuanian) Roman Catholic Church.
Our Lady of Siluva Our Lady of Siluva appeared twice in Lithuania, in AD 1608.
Unique Lithuanian Crosses Woodcarver George Mikalauskas produces unique and custom Lithuanian crosses.
The Source of Anxiety: Improper Priorities. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.
“I, Pencil … ”; Capitalism in a Nutshell. Leonard E. Read
Endless Concessions to the Palestinians Pamela Levene
The Peace Treaty Sajid Ali Khan
Leftist Politics in Catholic Mass Mark Brumbaugh
The USCCB Flip-Flop Mark Brumbaugh
Open Letter to Daniel Cardinal DiNardo Mark Brumbaugh
The Gift Bearers Michael from Florida
Dear Vic And Others ... John Felland
The Church Is Rotten To The Core Michelle Lobdell
Hatred of Palin Janet Morana
Proper Catechesis Susan Greve
Who is Barack Obama? Pastor Robert Legg Greve
Limited War Doctrine Colonel Thomas Snodgrass
Rabbi Meir Kahane's Letter Rabbi Meir Kahane, OBM
Solzhenitsyn Speaks Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn addresses the AFL/CIO.
The American Constitution (American Founding Fathers)
American Democrat Party Platform Karl Marx and Frederick Engles
Marxist Fundamentals Prof. Libor Brom
Re The Sin Of Scandal Phil Lange
Marxist Infiltration into Catholic Thought Nancy Libert
New "race and racism" thread begun by Stephen from VT. On race and racism: the ever changing definition and generic usage of the word "racism."
The Bush War Doctrine Revisited: a fresh look at our horrible situation. A reproduction of the "Bush War Doctrine Revisited" article and discussion points by David Yerushalmi; there is much food for thought here.
Resignation of Benedict XVI and the Immediate Media Firestorm. The resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and Rev. Marcel Guarnizo's interview with the author that caused the international media frenzy.
The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.
Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.
Just Laws for a Godly Nation. Many nations today still lack a core of just laws for a Godly nation.
What does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with World Youth Day? An unholy alliance between the Leftist WWF and the Vatican?
False Flag: Serious-minded fiction creating a better understanding of 9/11. Can serious-minded fiction play a role in creating a better understanding of critical contemporary social/political issues like 9/11?
Bringing the Liturgy Back to the Real Vatican II. Cardinal Burke Comments on Sacra Liturgia Conference
Layman letter to all bishops. Letter to Bishops from Mariann / Mary's Child
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Various unrelated topics that stirred thought and provoked writing (or quoting) at one time or another. The Everything Else Bucket.
Work at home jobs that have had me. A long, costly and unsuccessful run at work from home jobs that didn't work for us.
Truth versus Agenda addresses the simplest of problems greatly complexified. Truth versus Agenda examines the contest between reality and its opposition.
Vic has Iron Weights for sale; Mama says they have to go. Lots of iron weights for sale; all have to go at once, in one sale.
The challenge describes Capitalism as illusory and Marxism as solid. The mixture of religion just adds to the confusion of all good realists.
Indifferentism and Moral Relativism eats away at Catholic Culture. Catholicism stands against Indifferentism. Where do you stand?
My poor old truck is again starting to look like a poor old truck. After half-a-million miles, we're now approaching another decision time; another paint job, or a new truck.
Battle Line: Where the advancing secular army meets Judao-Christian moral norms. The Secular Position (or Agenda) involves Proactive, Aggressive Anti-Theism, and not merely "neutral" Atheism.
A return to the American Ideal means a severe reduction in Government. To return to positive growth and progress means, necessarily, purging our nation from all Marxist-Socialist philosophical influence and a return to the American Ideal.
Why this hatred of Palin? What galls modern women of the Left about Sarah Palin? The blind hatred of Palin we’re seeing expressed is not merely because of hatred and intolerance of the pro-life religious moral standard.
A Palin Parker Ticket? My Dream Candidates for 2012. Why a Palin Parker ticket is better than any professional politician Republican ticket you can come up with for 2012.
Elitism Vs Palinism: Why the Left and the Elites Loath and Fear Sarah Palin. It isn’t just Marxism Vs Palinism; it’s also established intellectual elitism vs Palinism. The elite need someone to look down upon.
How is it that opposing amnesty for millions of illegal aliens is "arrogant"? If my pro-Catholic, pro-American, anti-alternative-ethos position is "arrogant," then, exactly what is the position of those who claim superiority or even equality with it?
Here we see Bush family class captured in a simple private citizen’s photo. George W. (and Mrs.) Bush quietly demonstrate Bush family class without hoopla or fanfare.
Marxists love crisis, and they love an oil spill crisis most of all. Marxists even create and drive crisis. Their favorite crisis of all must be the Oil Spill Crisis, which is even better than a Banking Crisis.
American Military Assault Weapons originally intended in the 2nd Amendment. To miss the point of the 2nd Amendment is to miss the point of the whole Constitution.
For God and Country – More Thoughts on America, and on National Existence. For God and Country: Comparisons of martyrdom and heroism, Sovereign Nationhood Vs. Internationalism, distinct people-hood Vs. the Global Village, and Godliness Vs. godlessness.
The Godless Left leads the young and naive to their utopian Hell. For an honest comparison of the effects on youth, we need to look to the history of the Godless Left versus the Religious Right.
The Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World is a must read. No decent world history course is complete without the Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World.
Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn warns the American Worker and American organized labor. Solzhenitsyn speaks to us as a worker from the “Worker’s Paradise” of Communism; words of warning for all who understand the meaning of the word Liberty.
World Revolution returns with a vengeance: the rebirth of Marxism. Marxist world revolution returns, and faces far less opposition than in 1848 or the period between the Great Wars.
Our argument against public despair, hopelessness and pessimism re the future. Despair is a mortal sin, the opposite of the virtue of hope; it is a sin unto the death of the soul, a repudiation and rejection of God’s grace.
Can we outlaw Marxism in the USA and still be a free thinking society? I say we can and should outlaw any ideology that seeks the elimination of Constitutional America.
Can we outlaw Islam in the USA and still be a free thinking society? I say we can and should outlaw any ideology that seeks the elimination of Constitutional America.
On Threats to America's National Existence. A look at the nature of our national existence, what makes us America, physical threats to that, and the possibility of just going out of existence.
On the ethics of language: English dictionary Vs. Political-Correctness taboos. Language evolves, yet morals are (or should be) fixed. This poses questions re the ethics of language.
Thinking Catholic direction: threats to America, Church, Ethos, even History. The Thinking Catholic Direction is multi-faceted, facing threats to American National Existence, Catholic Liturgy, our common Guiding Ethos - emphasis changes to meet the threat of the moment.
Catholics learn and practice Glossalalia, in the Life In The Spirit seminars. Life in the Spirit seminars, fueling the Catholic Charismatic renewal, bring tongue-speaking "Glossalalia", and being "Slain in the Spirit", to Catholicism.
The website is going on hold for at least the next five weeks. Business calls, and I must respond. Will be traveling, and not taking the laptop this time.
Current Website Status. Still too busy for individual responses to questions, comments & criticisms.
Our 2006 Ohio Voter Guide. The choices are quite clear, and the 2006 Ohio Voter Guide was easy to produce.
On carrying my Lord, Jesus Christ, in my pocket. As a Eucharistic Minister, I am on occasion carrying the Lord Jesus in my pocket. It's a wondrous thing.
A 2006 Christmas and Hanukkah wish. May the Holy Days we celebrate remind us all of who we are, and how we are different from other peoples.
Current Democratic Party platform reveals anti-Semitic streak among Liberals. In their voting, their speechifying, and in the slant of their controlled mainstream media reporting, the current Democratic Party Platform is made clear to all observers.
The "Left", and The DaVinci Code, The Passion, and Cartoons of Mohammed. You can tell a lot about a movement by its public words. The Passion? "Unreservedly Bad." The DaVinci Code? "Unreservedly Good." Anything to do with Islam? "No Comment."
Who's driving the Health Care bus? Health insurance companies "grading" doctors? Health insurance companies grading doctors: a legitimized conflict of interest. A preparatory step toward the nationalization of the health insurance industry?
On the forced use of medical boiler plate language rather than simple notes. The "little dictators" from insurance companies and government bureaucracies force MDs to use stilted, verbose, medical boiler plate language in their own documentation.
Home For Christmas 2008. Website Getting Active Again
Hydrogen power could be, and should be, the wave of our automotive future. Any move toward hydrogen power is a move toward a cleaner and more efficient fuel, and away from our dangerous dependency on oil.
Thoughts in remembrance of 09/11/2001, five years later. The changing shape of the war, the changing shape of the enemy.
The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.
Kerry lies again, and then lies about his lies, in concert with the SLIMC. There he goes again! Kerry lies again and again about American servicemen and veterans; he just can't help himself.
Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost. POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.
What's going on with Mel Gibson? Is he really an anti-Semite? I am surprised that Mel Gibson is an alcolholic. But I am never surprised at any words that come out of the mouth of any drunk.
Still Worrying Over NuVo Consequences. The Holidays have gone by, several days have passed, and the SANE NuVo Initiative still stands pat.
The Dem's October Surprise involves another flip-flop of their public "standard". The clearly pro-sodomy Party that openly seeks the "Gay" vote goes Victorian for another pre-election October Surprise ploy.
Some Problems with NuVo: the so-called Null-Vote Initiative. A "philosophical" movement aimed at keeping religious conservatives from voting? Seriously? Let me state my problems with NuVo.
Come, let us sit and reason together. Jews and Christians of various stripe and spot can say to each other, 'Come, let us sit and reason together.' But we can't do that with the Moslems.
Regarding SANE works dropping NuVo: Nul Vote Initiative dies with a whimper. If you can't really present a good argument, sit down. On SANE Works dropping the NuVo Initiative: a program that works hard to SOUND pro-American while ACTING to oppose American National Existence.
Even experts grossly underestimate the Marxist zeal of the American Left. The sharp Left turn happened in the Hoover-FDR era, and the Marxism of the American Left has been deepening ever since.
Thinking American, in a nutshell: When one has lots to say, but time is limited. The older I get, the busier I get. Answering multiple questions as a thinking American, but in a hurry.
"We are an Easter People, and Hallelujah is our Song." (John Paul the Great) Our absolutely unique and singular Easter story, and the incredible force with which it struck human history.
Witnessing, grieving and weeping for our dieing culture. What might it take to call a whole people back from the brink of cultural death?
If we have an inherent right to something, then, who must supply it? Rights and Responsibilities exist in paired sets; a right does not exist in the absence of a related responsibility. If indeed we have a right to our job, then, someone must provide it. Who?
So how come we have all these homeless people if our system is so great? The strong "Utopian Idealist" firmly believes that absolute worldly perfection is actually possible. Therefore, there should never be any such thing as a hungry or homeless person.
Taking a look at Illegal Imigration and Tax Problem solutions. In our view, the minimum wage and income tax have outlived their usefulness, and only contribute to the illegal alien problem.
First journal / blog entries when the thinking catolic blog first opened up. Notes to readers about what I was doing.
On-going WebSite work and planned WebPages as of 09/07/2006. Adding items to book store.
Vic's busted finger status - life goes on. Another busted finger status report, since the original one rolled off of the 50-entry BLOG update records.
Website Status as of 02/05/2009. No more Bookstore; no more Contact Me; no more complexity.
Website Status 03-09-2009. Just a note to bring you up to date on website status 03-09-2009.
Website Status 04/06/2009. Busy driving daily now; most website work will be weekend and as available.
The Plastic Bags and Eco Doom theory: will plastic bags end life as we know it? Plastic Bag and Eco Doom predictions tell us that plastic grocery and garbage bags will still be buried in the land fills and dumps a thousand years from now. Well … so what?
Farewell Smokey Biorseth; Rest In Peace. Hello Coal Biorseth; Welcome Home. As we were laying our beloved Smokey Biorseth to rest in his grave beside the lilies, a carbon-copy of Smokey, in younger form, emerged from the lilies.
Honky Biorseth really runs this house. If you want to know what's in any cabinet in the house, just ask Honky Biorseth.
Kill the illegal alien marketplace, and illegal aliens will leave on their own. Why should we "imagine" life with no Mexico? Shouldn't the Mexicans be trying to imagine no such thing as the USA?
More Marxist infiltration of higher education. Public school and the media are not the only places dominated by Marxist thought; even Catholic institutions are infected.
Of Families and Fortunes, and Inheritance Vs. Redistribution. Families and Fortunes are despised by Marxists, because Marxism demonizes the family, demonizes fortunes, and even demonizes profit.
Website Status Update 11/09/10. Just a Website status update; where we are and where we’re going.
Regarding the 2010 Tax Deal Pledge Breaker: Pledge? What Pledge? How can Republican deal makers even face us? We need to hang a Tea Party target on all professional politicians for 2012.
Pray for peace in Jerusalem, and for deliverance of Israel from harm. To pray for peace in Jerusalem is to pray for deliverance from Obama.
A tale of Promised Financial Melt-Down Debt Ceiling Nonsense and Happy Marxists. Everyone, on both sides, believes the Debt Ceiling Nonsense. Why?
God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things. God and Nature: on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.
Our Ohio voter Guide for the 2012 Election. The 2l012 Ohio Voter Guide – The Choices Have Never Been Clearer, or more critical.
Evangelization enters the animal kingdom with the first bear prayer. It is fitting that the first bear prayer would be a prayer of thanksgiving.
Is the Internet down in Lithuania? Sudden loss of Lithanian traffic suggests the internet is down in Lithuania.
The rise of the Femi Nazi Green Beret, and the decline of military victory. The first Femi Nazi Green Beret will be awarded out of fairness, not excellence.
Food Insurance: Is this stuff really any good? All of us conspiracy-theorizing, global-calamity doomsday-preppers need their Food Insurance.
We just had to try to do Robert Irvine's Plastic Wrapped Baby Back Ribs. Put plastic wrapped baby back ribs in the oven? What? Are you nuts?
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